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Jay Baer Challenged Total Expert Customers to Transform Their CX in Three Ways in Q3. Here’s How a Few Are Responding.

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July 25, 2022
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There’s no question about the fact that Total Expert knows how to throw an epic party! Accelerate was amazing, from top to bottom. As an attendee, my only complaint is that it was too short.

It’s hard to pick a favorite moment from an event jam-packed with so many great ones. I heard several people say their favorite part was the songwriters’ performance featuring Sarah Buxton and The Warren Brothers. Others are still talking about the bash at FGL House.

And, of course, that doesn’t even scratch the surface of the ~actual~ content, including a sneak peek at what’s coming next from Total Expert, amazing breakout sessions, and inspiring keynotes.

In his keynote, Jay Baer challenged everyone in the room to change the fact that only one in five borrowers return to their loan officer (LO) or lender for their second loan. One in five! While countless factors go into the borrower experience, Jay shared that three factors within LO control disproportionately affect the customer experience.

Focus on These Three

You can’t fix every customer experience issue at once, but you can get better at the three that matter most. Below is a recap of Jay’s most important takeaways, plus feedback from members of the Total Expert customer community of how they’re already putting Jay’s recommendations into action.

Be Quick

Customers are 2.4 times more likely to keep doing business with a brand if they receive prompt or quick support with their problems, so businesses must keep up with their customers’ demands if they want them to stick around. One of the best ways to provide quick service is to be proactive instead of reactive. What questions can you anticipate and answer before they arise? By tackling common questions in advance, you’ll exceed your customers’ expectations and save yourself time — an ultimate win-win.

Be Clear

Jay told a story about his friend who runs a successful moving company in Texas. Even though the company sent moving guidelines to each customer ahead of their moving date, they were surprised to read many negative reviews from confused customers. He realized that when people prepare for a move, they’re overwhelmed and aren’t necessarily taking the time to sit down and read an information packet. So, the business now sends multiple copies of the information via multiple channels — text, email, and mail — to ensure customers aren’t confused about the important details.

Borrowers are typically reaching out to you during exciting and stressful life circumstances. Plus, they often don’t know what they don’t know about the lending process, making things feel even more stressful and confusing. Identify the interactions you can make more clear to alleviate your customers’ concerns and you’ll be much more likely to earn their business again the next time.

Be Kind

While almost all of us would say we’re kind to our customers, sometimes we’re so busy rushing from one task to another that we can unintentionally come off as cold. Or, perhaps we try to “jump straight to the point,” leading with authority at the expense of empathy. We can be so anxious to tell them what we know that we forget to show them that we care. Customers are seeking validation — to feel seen, heard, and appreciated.

Jay shared a story about a time when he and his wife were boarding a Delta flight and the gate agent almost brought the couple to tears. The agent scanned Jay’s ticket, acknowledged how many miles he’s flown with the airline, and thanked him for his continued business. Then, the agent scanned his wife’s ticket and saw how much less she travels in comparison. She turned to her and thanked her for the sacrifices she must have made for her husband’s career. At that moment, Jay and his wife felt seen and appreciated, and that small act of kindness made the couple infinitely more loyal to the airline. What small acts of kindness can you incorporate into your borrowers’ journeys?

The Challenge

Jay’s challenge to marketers at Accelerate was to empower their LOs to become 15% more quick, more clear, and more kind over the next 90 days. While fixing everything at once is overwhelming and impossible, an incremental improvement rate of 15% in three key areas is realistic for LOs — especially given the urgency of customer retention in today’s marketplace.

I was curious how Total Expert customers are coming along with Jay’s challenge, so I reached out to a few of my friends to see how they’re doing and what specific changes their teams are implementing to get more quick, clear, and kind. Here are a few of my favorite responses.

Speed

Horicon Bank’s Grace Bruins connected with the need for speed. She says, “When Jay mentioned increasing speed and being more quick within our organization, I immediately thought about how we can reduce barriers for our customers – and our employees. Are there processes that we put in place that could be simplified? Banking regulation makes what we do so complicated, but our customers aren’t asking for complication. They’re asking for simplified solutions. So from the way we talk about products to the way we design them to the way we open them – how can we reduce the friction and offer straightforward solutions?”

Amber West from Hawthorn Bank says, “We know that when it comes to important financial decisions, there’s no substitute for talking to a local expert…fast! That’s why we make it easy for people to quickly connect with a member of the Hawthorn team. In addition to webforms and email addresses, our website gives the direct phone numbers and hours for the teams our customers rely on most. We take pride in providing not only a quick response but also a friendly one.”

Clarity

Brenda Knutson, marketing manager at Prevail Bank, shared this insight: “Our website has a great resource center with helpful videos and blog posts, however, it doesn’t close the uncertainty gap with a basic and concise FAQ page, which will be added. We will also focus on answering top questions where our customers spend their time — email, social media, and paid search ads — not just on our website. I fully embrace Jay’s belief that customer experience is marketing, and we need to do something that customers don’t expect because that makes it worthy of telling somebody the story. By educating and providing an amazing experience, we hope to create the loyalty that the Jay Baer philosophy describes.”

Prosperity Home Mortgage’s Jelarie Grillo knows that customer experience isn’t a set-it-and-forget-it exercise, especially when it comes to clarity in communication. She says, “We take the time to put together foundational journeys by putting ourselves in our customers’ shoes. Where do they struggle? Is their situation different than the person next to them? We look at each touchpoint and make sure we’re relaying information clearly. We review these journeys often and incorporate feedback from our customer and real estate partners. Each time we make an adjustment, the journey gets better. In our latest Executive Business Review, our journey emails had a 78% open rate.”

Kindness

Melissa Wright, chief sales and marketing officer at American Pacific Mortgage says, “We’re committed to Creating Experiences That Matter, and kindness is a major component. Our loan advisors are trained to treat customers like family and always prioritize human connection, especially in the moments that matter. Some of the ways we emphasize kindness include educating and advising before they even have to ask. The mortgage process can be daunting, and we offer eBooks, videos, weekly tips, and blogs aimed to educate the consumers in a way that shows care and meets them where they are on their homeownership journey. The value of the loan advisor is their knowledge, yet more than this is a caring individual that delivers an amazing experience that matters.”

Kayla Powell, director of marketing operations at Movement Mortgage, says she will also remind her team to double down on kindness as a differentiator. She says, “Our mission is to love and value people. Our goal is to not only put families in homes but to shine light in areas of darkness worldwide by taking our profits and pouring them into underserved communities. I’ve been an employee at Movement Mortgage for over seven years, and I feel more connected to this community and our company’s values every year. This company is a family, and our arms are open to helping those in need.”

It’s a Big Deal… Really!

Customer experience is the most important corporate differentiator in today’s competitive landscape. According to Bain & Company, 80% of companies believe they deliver outstanding customer service, yet only 8% of their customers agree. If you can provide quick, clear, and kind customer interactions, you can close the experience gap to get more referrals and repeat business.

What changes have you made to be quicker, clearer, and kinder in your business? I can’t wait to hear about the impact when we all reconvene for Accelerate ‘23 in San Diego. If you’re still feeling the Nashville ~vibes~, maybe you can even write a song called “Quick, Clear & Kind” and perform it on stage when we’re all back together in June!

In the meantime, check out this post with insight from Total Expert Founder and CEO Joe Welu on what it takes to deliver the perfect customer journey.

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But here’s the thing: we’re at a turning point. What got us here, the strategies that helped us retain and grow in the past, are no longer good enough. You might say it is necessary, but not sufficient, and the cost of waiting is higher than the cost of change. The forces reshaping our industry aren’t on the horizon; they’re sitting at the table. AI technologies, increasingly complex compliance, mergers and acquisitions, shifting consumer demands. It’s not a question of whether we’ll adapt, it’s whether we’re adapting fast enough.  

That’s why, at Accelerate, Joe and I introduced the concept of the “new necessary” as part of our Aim Higher conference theme. Staying relevant (and competitive) requires more than awareness, automation, or clever content. It requires deep, enterprise-ready context that powers systems of intelligence and action. Systems where originators and AI work together in sync—always on, highly consistent, endlessly scalable. Your feedback, and the results we’ve seen so far, tell me we’re on the right track. And. Have a lot to do!

Throughout the conference, I spoke about four pillars of focus: Strengthening the Foundation, Customer IQ, Lead Management, and AI. Here’s a quick tour.

Strengthening the Foundation

This year, we doubled down on the foundation of Total Expert: improving core capabilities, enhancing performance, expanding our ecosystem, evolving user experience. At Accelerate, we demonstrated real progress: faster email delivery, more tools to utilize SMS, automated marketing packages, Sales Manager Dashboards, and new integrations. That’s great progress. More is necessary. We are on it!    

Customer IQ

Agentic AI enables business value when it’s fueled by rich, accurate, and timely context.  The insights and enrichment from Customer Intelligence is necessary and drives great business outcomes. However, more is needed to take full advantage of what’s possible with AI Agents acting as high-performing members of your team rather than wasting time and money on bland generic agents operating with limited context.

That’s why we announced Customer IQ. We are deepening our commitment to dramatically increase context across four dimensions; enrichment and insights, consent, contact/customer information, and relationship history.  As an early example, in December we’ll be releasing new capabilities to enable the collection and aggregation of consent from multiple systems directly into Total Expert. That means our AI Sales Assistant can instantly understand consent and act on it- accurately and efficiently. More context expansions are already queued up for 2026.

Lead Management: Reimagined

We’re launching the first release of our revamped Lead Management in February. This isn’t just a tune-up; it’s a rebuild. From lead ingestion and routing policies to loan officer workflows, admin tools, journey orchestration, and analytics—this release sets the stage for what’s coming next. And it’s just the beginning. Stay tuned for more updates soon.

Agentic AI and AI Services

At Accelerate, we showcased real results from the AI Sales Assistant. Four use cases are live today, and we’re handling millions of calls each month. This volume has accelerated performance most importantly, customer results. With the right combination of context, industry expertise, and integrations into business processes, we’ve unlocked a recipe for success. We’re continuing to expand on this, with exciting new use cases on the horizon.

We also shared our vision on Agentic Management, or the “control tower,” and our early work on AI services like Natural Language Interfaces. These are key to driving more intelligence, more automation, and better user experiences across the platform. A good example of this is the demo of the natural-language data interface, which was a personal highlight for me as a preview of the seamless, intuitive future we’re working toward.

Why this Matters

Our mission is simple: help you retain and grow. How? By enabling you to execute the perfect customer journey, fueled by context, driven consistently by orchestrated journeys, executed by both humans and intelligent agents working in harmony, with a virtuous feedback loop. Always on and enterprise-grade.    

This is the new necessary.  

I’m incredibly fired up about our vision, our momentum, our roadmap, and the amazing work we get to do alongside our clients, partners, and teammates. At the end of the day, it’s not about the technology. It’s about the business value it enables. The customers who are leaning into what we’re building are becoming more competitive. Those that aren’t risk falling behind.

I hope that Accelerate, this post, and our community give you the inspiration and insights you need to chart your next steps toward the new necessary—the why, the how, and the when.  

Thank you, as always, for your feedback, your drive, and your partnership. Let’s keep moving toward the perfect customer journey!

Pete

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Smaller Lenders, Bigger Impact: Using Data to Deepen Personal Relationships

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Forming authentic relationships has always been the competitive edge for smaller lenders. And as the FinServ world has become more tech-driven and digital-first, credit unions and community banks have only leaned further into this powerful differentiator. But we’re seeing an interesting trend among some of the most successful small- to mid-market lenders: They’re recognizing that tech-enabled engagement is no longer mutually exclusive to genuine human connections. They’ve created powerful data-driven strategies that make it easier for them to build good, old-fashioned personal relationships.

These forward-thinking lenders are realizing that their smaller size is actually an advantage in implementing “big data” tools and strategies. We’re seeing credit unions and community banks deploy Total Expert Customer Intelligence in a matter of weeks and start realizing value in as little as 90 days, building a loyalty- and revenue-generating engine that fuels itself.

But how are they doing it in a financial landscape where consumers have more choices and competitors aren’t just in the building across the street?

Even close borrower relationships are growing more complex

Small- to mid-market lenders have been historically hesitant to embrace tech-powered, data-driven strategies because there was a concern that it would dehumanize their connections with borrowers. Which is understandable as community banks and credit unions have built their brands and their reputations on their ability to forge honest, transparent relationships—getting to know their customers and members in ways bigger lenders could only dream of.

But even those 1:1 borrower connections are now digital-first, multi-channel relationships. Those increasingly complex relationships involve exponentially more data, information, preferences, and intent signals. A common concern we hear among smaller lenders runs along the lines of, “We don’t have enough data for a ‘Big Data’ strategy.” But the truth is that even the smallest credit unions and community banks are swimming (and sometimes drowning) in a pool of tremendously valuable data.

Borrowers expect to feel “known” across every channel; they want the same feeling of 1:1 personalization at every touchpoint. And it’s becoming a genuine challenge for smaller lenders to juggle all the information and orchestrate these hyper-personalized omnichannel experiences.

Using Customer Intelligence + marketing automation to enhance personal borrower relationships

More and more credit unions and community banks are turning to data-driven, tech-enabled strategies to complement—not replace—their personal relationships with borrowers. We’ve seen smaller lenders have tremendous success with Customer Intelligence and our dynamic, automated Journeys because they:

  • Surface intent signals in real time: Customer Intelligence surfaces critical intent signals as they happen, giving LOs the superpower of knowing what borrowers and homeowners need when they need it.
  • Highlight life events as critical engagement opportunities: Customer Intelligence helps smaller lenders go beyond traditional intent signals, recognizing key life events or milestones (graduating, getting married, starting a family, changing careers, retiring, etc.) that signal shifting financial goals and new borrowing needs. This gives your LOs natural opportunities to reach out with helpful, personalized guidance.
  • Enable personalized outreach at scale and speed: Credit unions and community banks are using Total Expert Journeys and other automation capabilities to help their LOs stay on top of all of these valuable Customer Intelligence signals. Built-in triggers and automated Journeys enable LOs to magically engage at just the right time—across their full roster of customers and prospects.

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Measuring time-to-value in weeks, not years

Another major misconception among credit unions and community banks is that they don’t have the resources to manage this kind of automated, Customer Intelligence-powered strategy.  

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The smaller size of most credit unions and community banks works to their advantage here. We consistently see these customers go live and start seeing measurable value with Customer Intelligence in as little as eight weeks because they’re able to implement, build, test, and launch faster than larger lenders that have more layers of reviews and approvals.

Smaller lenders driving big value: Customer Intelligence case studies

Dart Bank

  • Customer Intelligence in action: Dart Bank uses Customer Intelligence to surface life events and intent signals in real time, enabling LOs to engage members with proactive, personalized support across channels.
  • Driving measurable value: In just six months, Dart Bank drove an additional $48 million in funded loans—all by connecting with borrowers at the right moments of opportunity.

Tucson Federal Credit Union (TFCU)

  • Customer Intelligence in action: TFCU adopted Total Expert Journeys + Customer Intelligence to automate workflows, unify member data, and personalize communications; reducing manual work (e.g., uploading data daily) and streamlining email campaigns.
  • Driving measurable value: Open rates now exceed industry benchmarks (25–26%), and click‐through rates have improved. Campaign build times dropped from weeks to minutes.

Family Savings Credit Union

  • Customer Intelligence in action: Family Savings Credit Union moved from generic, outsourced marketing to using Total Expert Journeys, personalized messaging across channels, and better data visibility internally (bringing together core banking data, email, etc.), enabling them to send more strategic and relevant communications.
  • Driving measurable value: By acting on these insights, Family Savings Credit Union has increased retention and preserved the strong member relationships that fuel long-term success.

Horicon Bank

  • Customer Intelligence in action: Horicon created a Data Insights department, deployed Total Expert for centralized CRM/marketing automation, enabling more intentional targeting and personalized communications, letting staff have visibility into customer behavior across branches and channels.
  • Driving measurable value: The bank is now orchestrating timely, personalized borrower outreach at scale—transforming digital signals into relationship-building opportunities that strengthen loyalty.

Tech- and data-driven strategies have proven over and over that they have the ability to help deepen personal relationships for smaller credit unions and community banks. Our customers are proving that size doesn’t have to be a barrier. It can be an advantage that allows organizations to move quickly, leverage powerful tools like Customer Intelligence, and deliver authentic, personalized experiences at scale.

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