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Redefining Mortgage Marketing with the Team at A Marketing Agency

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February 15, 2024
By
Mike Waterston

Mortgage marketing is an incredibly niche space and not the priority focus for most loan officers and loan officer assistants. Their focus is on engaging borrowers, deepening relationships, and closing loans. That doesn’t mean they don’t appreciate the value of consistent marketing and building brand awareness, it’s that they can only do so much while navigating the ever-changing trends and challenges in the market. For the past few years, rising interest rates have been the biggest hurdle. But with the Fed announcing three scheduled rate drops throughout 2024, marketing messages and strategies must shift completely. That’s a big undertaking even for marketing-savvy loan officers and larger teams to deal with.

One thing that never changes for loan officers and their teams is their ultimate goal: to generate new business and close loans. There’s no right or wrong way to reach that goal, but having an experienced team of marketers on your side can help you find the best path for your business.  

We sat down with our partners Pierson Hibbs and Liz Hall, co-founders of A Marketing Agency (“AMA”), to talk about both the evolving challenges and untapped opportunities loan officers are facing in today’s complex market.  

What are the key challenges you see loan officers facing in today’s market?

Right now, it’s finding new ways to grow their business while fighting off the still-high interest rates and preparing for the wave of new purchases and refis once rates come down. Additionally, many loan officers face a “barrier to entry” in marketing because they don’t have the time, energy, or understanding of which tactics will yield results. They’re experts in the mortgage and real estate world, so it’s up to us to help them market that expertise.

How do shifts in the market create new challenges in mortgage marketing?

With the market’s volatility over the last two years, it’s like trying to build a house while the ground is shifting beneath you. Building relationships with borrowers is already challenging enough with the amount of competition in the industry, but you also have variables outside your control (such as high interest rates) that make it difficult to generate momentum. As the market looks to shift again in 2024, loan officers will have to strike a balance between continuing their current conversations and marketing to a new batch of borrowers who have been waiting for interest rates to fall.  

What are the key tactics you see working to maximize efforts and avoid problems when expanding?

Delegation and deliberate movement are two of the most important ways to avoid growing pains when expanding. We all set lofty goals and try to accomplish more than we have the bandwidth to achieve on our own. Finding the right balance between what you can accomplish and when to bring in help is paramount to the success of any business. You don’t have to know how to do it all; you just have to know when to bring in the right people to help you accomplish your goals!

Taking the time to map out where you want to go, taking realistic steps to get there, and having a feasible timeline all work to ensure your efforts are deliberate. If you take a deliberate step in the right direction every day, you’ll be amazed by how much progress you’ll have made a year from now! 

What are clients looking for that AMA and Total Expert offer together?

Our clients seek cutting-edge mortgage marketing solutions that work for them while loan officers and loan officer assistants do what they do best. Total Expert provides an intelligent automation engine that’s purpose-built to help modern financial institutions increase ROI, drive new growth, and develop lifelong customer relationships. AMA’s mission is to help institutions maximize their use of Total Expert, working to ensure that they meet their ROI and drive more loans to their loan officers through Total Expert. Our goal is to ensure the complete utilization of Total Expert’s marketing capabilities by all end users.

What does an ideal client look like for AMA and Total Expert?

AMA’s ideal client would be an institution that has either already implemented Total Expert but needs a captain to steer the ship or is about to enter the implementation process with Total Expert.  

We’ve helped several clients increase engagement and conversions by maximizing how they’re using the Total Expert platform. But we can help clients realize those benefits from the very beginning by acting as their “experts in Total Expert” to guide them through integrating Total Expert into their existing tech stack. AMA is here to help with anything related to Total Expert on an application/best-practice basis! 

What differentiates AMA from other options in the market?

AMA aims to redefine mortgage marketing, delivering innovative and tailored solutions that empower corporate mortgage lenders to thrive in today’s competitive landscape. We specialize in crafting dynamic strategies and comprehensive services designed to elevate an institution’s brand, engage its audience, and drive unparalleled results. Our sole focus is supporting Total Expert customers. We don’t service any other customer engagement platforms because we believe Total Expert is the premier mortgage marketing solution. With roots in the mortgage industry, we don’t just know marketing; we understand what it takes to thrive as a loan officer. We’ve been marketing for loan officers for almost a decade and love this industry. Rather than turning to an FTE or another CRM Management Firm, we know Total Expert inside and out and are here to grow with you. AMA operates on a per-project basis, allowing us to accomplish far more per cost than a traditional admin. Everything we do has been meticulously crafted to fit seamlessly into an institution’s ecosystem. If you’re looking for third-party support relating to Total Expert, give us a call! 

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For most financial institutions, the customer relationship begins when someone fills out an application, walks into a branch, or picks up the phone. But that’s not when your customer’s journey begins.

Long before a borrower reaches out, they’ve already started forming an opinion about you, your competitors, realtors, and the mortgage industry in general. They’ve searched for lenders in their area, read reviews, seen the news, and talked to family, friends, and coworkers. They’ve probably even asked Claude or ChatGPT to compare rates from local banks and credit unions. They’ve scanned branch listings, looked at star ratings, and made a shortlist of their top choices. They’ve done a lot. And all without ever speaking to a single person on your team.

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A borrower may first meet your brand through a Google search, an online review, a branch listing, a social post, or an AI-generated answer. They may ask AI platforms which lender is best for first-time homebuyers, which credit union has the best service, or which local bank is easiest to work with. In that moment, your reputation isn’t just what your brand says. It’s what the digital ecosystem can find, understand, and validate about you.

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Birdeye’s State of AI Search 2026 report found that in an analysis of ChatGPT, Gemini, and Perplexity, 80% of brands were cited at least once in AI-generated answers—but only 15% held the top citation position with their own owned domain. AI search rewards clarity, structure, and consistency. The financial institutions that win in AI-driven discovery will be the ones with the most trusted, complete, and credible local footprint.

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  • A negative review or recurring complaint can trigger service recovery or escalation—before it becomes a bigger problem
  • Patterns in feedback data can become operational priorities, helping regional or branch leaders identify where the experience is breaking down and course-correct quickly

This is the shift financial institutions need to make: feedback shouldn’t sit in a dashboard. It should move into the daily workflow of the business.

From reactive to proactive: the future of experience-driven growth

The traditional model of reputation management was reactive. A customer leaves a review. Someone responds. A report gets created. Maybe a trend reaches leadership weeks later.

That model is too slow for how borrowers make decisions today.

PwC’s 2025 Customer Experience Survey found that 52% of consumers stopped using or buying from a brand after a bad product or service experience, and 29% stopped because of poor customer experience online or in person. Experience isn’t a soft metric. It directly affects loyalty and growth.

Together, Total Expert and Birdeye give financial institutions the tools to move earlier and act faster. AI can help teams listen at scale—bringing together signals from reviews, surveys, social channels, listings, and CRM systems. It can help teams act faster by identifying urgent issues, drafting responses, routing follow-ups, and giving branch and regional leaders clear next steps. And it can help leaders see what’s working: which branches are earning the strongest trust, which loan officers are creating the best borrower experience, and which themes are driving referrals and conversion.

This is where reputation management becomes something bigger: experience-driven growth.

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For Total Expert customers, accessing Birdeye is straightforward through the Expert Partner Network—the same ecosystem where lenders can access a range of integrated tools and services designed to support every stage of the borrower journey.

Instead of standing up a new workflow or managing a separate vendor relationship, Birdeye’s capabilities become part of how your team already operates. The feedback loop between Birdeye and Total Expert means your relationship data gets smarter over time, your team sees the signals they need in the right context, and your borrowers experience a more consistent, responsive institution at every touchpoint.

The lenders who win will earn trust before the first conversation

Winning in today’s market isn’t just about having the best rates or the most loan products. It’s about being the institution borrowers find, trust, and choose—often before they ever pick up the phone.

The financial institutions that get ahead will be the ones treating reputation as an operating signal rather than a marketing metric. They’ll use customer feedback as real-time intelligence. They’ll build the kind of consistent, trusted digital presence that earns borrowers in a world where AI is increasingly answering the question, “Who should I work with?”

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